Some guy named Richard Cohen tells a girl who flunked Algebra I six times to give up on math as calculators and computers can do it all, and anyway =he's= never used algebra after taking it in high school. Besides, knowing literature, etc. is such a higher form of thinking. This is just a continuation of the dismissive attitude shown by Cathy Seipp, another person who sucked at math in high school.
Clue to Mr. Cohen: someone who flunked Algebra I six times is unlikely to be any great shakes in the humanities either. I hate to tell people who have been riding their "excellence" in humanities all these years to excuse their piss-poor performance in math & science: there is correlation between verbal intelligence and quantitative intelligence. A big correlation. The difference between math and literature is that it's really easy to fake profundity in lit and really tough to fake math knowledge. Now many people have a preference for particular subjects -- I prefer taking a math class to taking a chemistry class -- and that can have an impact on performance. And teaching quality in math is really important for the majority of people who are not self-taught. After failing Algebra I once, this girl should've had something changed - I think it unlikely for a teen to get something a second time if it's presented the exact same way as before.
Going back to my original rant: it is unwise to give anybody permission to live in a mental ghetto. Mental flexibility is the basis of a liberal arts education - and, if you knew anything of Western history, Mr. Cohen, you'd know that math was a big part of the original liberal arts curriculum. The Trivium is Rhetoric, Grammar, and Logic; the Quadrivium was arithmetic, geometry, music, and astronomy. Oh, lookee there. The "higher thinking" seems to consists heavy of math and science. Whaddya know.
People think it's kinder to make students feel better with "Oh, but knowing how to write is so much more important, and you're [minimally] competent in that." -- no, what you're doing is lying to kids. People should know when they suck at something and know that sucking in that something can limit what they'll be able to do and may have a bad impact on their lives. Here's a few things I'm guessing the Algebra-failure will not be able to do: balance a checkbook, compute her own taxes, figure out the best car loan or credit card offer, make a budget, do financial planning for her future. No, none of these explicitly require algebra, but I think it's a good bet she has trouble with all of these. This is not okay for her -- it is so much easier to lose money and get swindled if you don't know math.
It is possible this girl can't learn algebra because she's somewhat mentally retarded or has some learning disability -- but shouldn't someone have checked that before letting her take a class (and fail it) 6 times? It's possible she failed because she never did the homework and never studied, because she figured she sucked at math anyway. It could also be indicative of the suckiness of her school that she's been allowed to take a class (and fail it) 6 times -- did nobody look into what was going on? At least the second time she failed?
And here's an adult giving her permission to give up on it because the subject isn't really that worthwhile. Way to go, man. Keep the kids down.
Oh, and this "math class is hard" argument might be a little stronger coming from someone who actually did well in math in high school.
UPDATE: I'm still pissed off. Ugh. I just want to punch this man.
February 21 2006, 13:11:05 UTC 6 years ago
Re "go into the humanities": I have a friend, now an English prof, who started out as a science major. In her second year, she went to the dean to talk about switching into Arts. She was given a big speech about how Arts was hard too, and it wasn't a good idea for a science flunkie to take English just to avoid science. My friend listened to the dean's spiel for ten minutes before presenting him with her report card: straight A's in all of her (honours) math and science courses. He then advised her to go into HONOURS arts. Heh.
February 21 2006, 16:17:30 UTC 6 years ago
Lacking fundamentals
This was exactly the point I was going to make: in general, when people totally fail algebra over and over, it comes down to not knowing fractions, not knowing their times tables cold, not being able to do division proficiently. In other words, elementary and middle school math.I'll save you from my anti-constructivist math rant, but I suspect you'll be seeing more and more kids in the future totally "not getting" algebra.
The folks at Kitchen Table Math are chronicling the experience of trying to make up for the deficiencies of their schools' present and past constructivist curriculum at home, after school, at the kitchen table. But most kids don't have parents who are going to be able to put in the blood, sweat and hours to do that.
February 21 2006, 18:36:33 UTC 6 years ago
Re: Lacking fundamentals
Actually, I believe at Kimberly Swygert's site, one of the commenters noted the girl had missed about 60 of the 90 class days one of the times she "took" the class.If your attendance is that low, the school should just kick you out and be done with it. But then schools are given money on a per-pupil basis, and are given little impetus to kick anybody out, no matter how big a kick in the ass they deserve.
February 23 2006, 15:59:38 UTC 6 years ago
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February 24 2006, 01:56:00 UTC 6 years ago
I never did manage to pass Geometry, but that's another story. My point is that as math-weak as I am, it never would have occured to me not to at least try. I'm sure as a teenager I would have jumped at the chance to be free of math, but as an adult I realize the flaw in that thinking. It may not be my favorite subject, but it's part of what constitutes a solid educational foundation. And as for the "you'll never use it in your everyday life" argument, I'm curious what sort of world this person lives in that it doesn't require basic mathematical ability. Yes there are calculators. But you do have to be able to understand math in order to use them properly. I mean, it would great if you could just randomly poke buttons and say "guess what I'm trying to make you solve!" but unless the technology has improved recently....
Wow this was a really ranty way to basically say that if you're going to let 16 year olds dictate what they will or won't learn, you've got your head up your ass.